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20 Years After (2008)
IMDB rating: 3.00
Plot: Everything that could go wrong did go wrong: War, Terrorism, Natural Disasters. Evacuees were ushered from the cities to refugee camps in the surrounding counties. In-fighting, famine and disease took their toll on the survivors. Now, twenty years after the bombs fell and the plagues ran their course the few that remain live in fear and without hope. Azura Skye (28 DAYS, ONE MISSED CALL) stars as Sarah in this Post-Apocalyptic Fairy Tale about a young woman’s journey to deliver the first child born in 15 Years. Sarah’s refusal to give up is inspired by a lone voice on her radio. Michael (Joshua Leonard, THE BLAIR WITCH PROJECT) broadcasts dim and distant messages of hope mixed with the music he scavenges from the dead. Forced from her basement home by drought and relentlessly pursued by those who want her baby, Sarah crosses paths with Michael in a cavernous, underground refuge of disparate survivors. It is from Three Caves that Michael and Sarah will embark on a journey beyond the boundaries of the Southern Corridor and into the unknown future. Nathan Baesel (BEHIND THE MASK: THE RISE OF LESLIE VERNON), Reg. E Cathey (THE WIRE) and Diane Salinger (CARNIVALE) co-star in this artfully rendered vision of a challenging future filled with danger, fear and hope.
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Directors: Torres Jim
Actors: Leonard Joshua,Baesel Nathan,Cathey Reg E.,Beene Dan,Hendry Aaron,Parker Phil,Roden Graham,Talbert Charlie,Drama,Fantasy,Sci-Fi,
What would make someone leave the LDS church after 20 + years?
I keep seeing people on here who say they left after 20+ years,why?Can someone explain that? What took so long?Doctrine?Doubt?The People? Just really curious! Thanks! Not to mention I’m so sorry for your pain.
I was a mormon all my life and just got out when I was about thirty years old. The church is very good about indoctrinating it’s people and that is probably a big part of why I stayed so long. I grew up in Utah so everyone I knew was Mormon, all my family, all my friends, teachers, police men, politicians. Everyone I looked up to and the only people I knew who weren’t Mormon were talked bad about so we all looked down on them as sinners and outcasts. It’s hard to look back and see how blind, closed minded and hard hearted I was and everyone else.
They keep you surrounded by the church so it becomes your whole life. You have church for 3 hours on Sunday, you have church activities durring the week, starting when you get in 9th grade you are enrolled in Seminary so you study the religion in school nearly every day. There is a lot of peer pressure at school, they have days where you dress in your church clothes for school so everyone knows you are a Mormon or not. For the girls they want you to get married right away after highschool or go on a mission when you are 21. I went on a mission, it’s usually two years or a year and a half for girls. For the guys you have to go on a Mission first, when you are 19, then get married right when you get back. If you don’t do these things you are looked down on and embarrassed, sometimes even pressured into going. There were many kids on my mission who had been forced to go and were being forced to stay, or bribed. And you have to be interviewed yearly by the bishop to determine your worthyness, with an interview here and there by other male leadership. You must always be temple worthy and have your papers saying so and you must get married in the temple and attend the temple atleast once a month.
Twice a year you have General Conference where you have two days of televised talks from the church leaders. You are also given callings in the church so you have to participate. You have home teachers and visiting teachers that come to your house every month and you are also asigned to be one of these teachers and visit other families to share the gosple.
Anyway, you get the picture that it is very much made to be a part of your life and you are very much kept indoctrinated and so leaving it is a hard thing to do. You are risking your reputation with your family, friends and sometimes the whole neighborhood.
I fell away because I lost faith in God altogether. I was very active in the church; seminary graduate, return missionary, temple marriage, I held callings in the church and everything.
I had lost my family, I was injured in war and saw all the horrors of this holy war that we are in and couldn’t imagine a God who would allow all the bloodshed of innocent children. I started to question the church and sinse I was no longer just believing everything they tell me I started to find some stuff that made no sense to me. Especially when the prophet of the church endorced the war in Iraq and threatened that those who tried to stand in the way of it would be responsible for their actions. I couldn’t imagine a prophet of God would say something like that, even if it was just his oppinion. I started seeing the prophet lie or try to brush off serious questions or put down previous prophets and teachings rather than just be honest and open. I started finding huge lies that have been covered up. The lies were one thing but the extent of trying to cover stuff up and lie to people so they could pretend to be mainstream Christians and continue to recruit more and more people on a lie was just too much for me.
I have since found God after many years of undoing what they had taught me about God. You can see some of the answers on here reflect the extent of being brainwashed into the church. You are told that it is the only true church on the face of the planet and you are taught all this stuff about God and Jesus so that if you were to leave the church you are still under the spell that no other church could be true so you could never join another church.
After searching and searching I finaly found God and learned that all the stuff I had been taught was really what was keeping me from God. I didn’t understand God or how He worked and once I completely let go of my belief system, opened my heart and mind and just let God teach me how He is, I finally learned so much.
But long story, hope it helps you see why it is so hard to leave the church and why someone would after so many years. I have heard people in the church say that they don’t believe it but would never leave it because of the backlash it would cause on him and his family.
Janomac | Dec 02, 2008
they came upon the realization that everyone else has… Joseph Smith dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Gordon | Dec 01, 2008
I was 16 when I left the Catholic Church - I was a Catholic for 16 years. Though I cannot speak for every one’s situation and I am not a Mormon, I would guess that in many cases 20+ years of experience were during childhood and adolescence. From my experience, adults tend to grow out of their childhood beliefs. Also, people who follow a different religion than their childhood tend to maintain belief in that religion.
Kitty Kat | Dec 01, 2008
Cause they saw the south park espoide and realised that Jospeh Smith was dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb
Panda Bear | Dec 01, 2008
I admit, I used to be LDS. I left pretty much when I was 17. I had a bad experience and then decided I’m just not much into ANY organized religion. I still take issue with people who put down Mormons who know NOTHING about it except what they’ve heard. and let’s face it most of that is untrue.
sydkan | Dec 01, 2008
I would say that the reasons they leave are very similar to the reason many people leave other organized religions.
Arnold P | Dec 01, 2008
Maybe they have been excommunicated or they have decided to leave to get a change of scenery. I am not really sure why but maybe they left for personal reasons in which they do not want to discuss.
LADY WITH AN ATTITUDE | Dec 01, 2008
Education.
Realization.
Learning to think for themselves.
asgspifs | Dec 02, 2008
I was raised in a mainstream religion, and it took me many years to leave. It’s not easy when all your friends and family are part of a church. Repudiating the church is repudiating part of them. It can lead one to fuzzy thinking and avoidance and continually trying to believe you can find a middle of the road. Illogical but quite human.
Darwinall | Dec 02, 2008
Some people leave because they have been offended by someone.
neongreenpurple | Dec 02, 2008
Usually it’s because they’ve been offended. That’s part of the reason I left when I was 18. There are many reasons why people leave the religion they were raised with, most of which are personal.
It's just me | Dec 02, 2008
I don’t know too many people who have left after 20 years. I know some people who haven’t technically left the church, but haven’t attended in many years. In a couple of cases they stopped going to church after suffering a divorce.
P.S. - I’m amazed that anyone can watch a South Park cartoon and think it is factual. Is critical thinking no longer taught in school? Or is it just easier to believe what everyone tells you to believe?
R Rosskopf | Dec 02, 2008
Probably the same thing that led me to leave the church I was raised in and join the LDS church, in reverse.
Although, I think that most Mormons who leave, don’t even go on to another Christian church. I know that, if I ever thought to leave the LDS church, I would never be a Christian anymore.
mormon_4_jesus | Dec 02, 2008
An inability to "endure to the end."
Matthew 24:13
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
The LDS Church does not teach that you just make a statement, "I believe" and you are saved, but that you must act, behave, and continue to endure.
If you are not practicing, you do not endure.
Kerry | Dec 02, 2008
The church has all kinds of horror stories about people who have lost their faith in the church. It’s the worst thing that can happen to someone. Once you know the truth and then turn your back on it, you will become completely miserable, so the story goes. They really scare people into staying. If you have doubts, you should ignore them. The church actually discourages people from reading certain books. You should only read things that bring you closer to God and that increase your faith and that means not reading anything that criticizes the church. So, most Mormons who have been in the church for 20 years probably don’t know very much about the church’s controversial history. And if they do, they only know the watered down, faith promoting version of history, which is obviously not the real story.
slackjaw79 | Dec 02, 2008
I left when I was a teen because I didn’t think God would approve of having a man (Bishop) say who was worthy and who wasn’t. I also didn’t like the way they ranked people into holy, holier and holiest. If a man wasn’t holy enough he stayed an elder, when people thought he was holier he could be a 70, etc… People in our ward were judged very much by those ranks- which were assigned, not by God, but by MAN.
As i grew older, I realized that there were many other doctrinal and historical problems in Mormonism.
My parents left several years after I did because after getting more into the Bible they realized the LDS church was of the devil.
truth | Dec 02, 2008
Those people are so stupid. It only took me 2 years to figure out that I had to leave the LDS church. It’s obvious that the LDS church is only good for sinners going to Destruction like you and one thing causing doubt about your worthiness of living, forcing you to live their lifestyles (even when the LDS are hypocrites raping people like me in church) and taking your money only to convert weak poor minded folks out there who have no food or any help except by turning to the LDS for help. The homeless people easily convert too for Physical Food, but they don’t care about Spiritual Food. All they want is to be more happy, and have little faith in GOD to provide the Food for them. O ye of Little Faith!
Robert Mejia | Dec 02, 2008
The internet.
The damning information is in the PRO LDS sites, (if you look deep enough) Mormon quotes are shocking to say the least…
There is no doubt in my mind that the internet IS the single most potent factor. Why do you think the mormon church is growing more in Africa and South America?? and poor countries?
Its the truth.
Then the re-wording of the Book of Mormon introduction and the DNA issue also aroused interest.
Though mormon church attendance is still strong in most of the US on Sundays, belief isn’t.
Leaving Mormonism is an incredibly impossible thing to digest at first, especially when you are not inactive at the time, as your not looking for a reason.
Even though you realize afterwards you’ve been fed lies for years, I was and many, many others.
EDIT: do you hear some of the answers, I must have been offended or wanted to sin (drugs, gay whatever..lol)…always the members fault huh?
**It could be the downright hateful kookyness I found out!!**
*cough* Cult.
oceanwoman78 | Dec 02, 2008
I left after over 30 years. You have to take into account that much of that was my childhood/teen years (I was born into it) and for that time I didn’t know anything else, and had no clue what the true history of the church was. I believed it because I was told it was true by my parents, friends, and teachers, though I never felt like I really belonged there. As a young adult I kept going because it was a habit that I’d been indoctrinated into. When I finally stopped going because I still felt it wasn’t right for me, it was then I found out everything I’d never learned in church. It became crystal clear to me that Joseph Smith was not much different than someone like David Koresh. If he’d done now what he did over 100 years ago, he’d be dismissed as crazy by most people. I’m baffled that people believe the whole translating ancient gold plates by looking at a stone in a hat thing, but it’s honestly no more silly than a lot of other religious beliefs.
jujukitty | Dec 02, 2008
It is interesting reading the different views and reasons and so forth here already for some who left the church. I personally think when you boil it down that the REAL REASONS people leave church, religion, God boil down to a loss of Faith. Perhaps it is a loss in faith in God, in a Bishop, in doctrine, loss in faith from fallen expectations, hurt feelings because you had FAITH that people should be a certain way and they turned out to be amazingly enough IMPERFECT instead. The ‘reasons’ are as diverse and numerous as the people who leave the church.
Lets face it - people change, feelings change, experiences & circumstances change US forever sometimes and we have to make life changing choices because of that in order to COPE or be happy.
I personally have just returned after being excommunicated almost 2 years ago. It was ROUGH - it would have been much easier to just WALK AWAY and never look back instead of hanging in there and paying the price I NEEDED to repent and return but that is just MY situation. Some people leave due to SINS that place them outside the ‘norm’ for activity in the LDS church. Some leave because they feel judged (which all of us feel somewhere along the line by someone), divorce makes it uncomfortable for some who have to live in this FAMILY ORIENTED church - it just goes on and on.
I think we all need to find hope, peace, love and GOD in our own way and place and I personally think that God in His eternal loving merciful wisdom understands what drives us to make such life altering changes one direction or the other and only HE can judge that and us - no one else here or elsewhere has any right doing so. All things work out in the end I.M.O.
Just my less than traditional point of view and opinion! : )
LindaLoo | Dec 02, 2008
I suggest the book The Keystone of Mormonism by RM, former bishop and temple worker Arza Evans. He left after he started reading ONLY LDS works like the Journal of Discourses and early church writings and learned what his church *really* teaches. It’s an excellent book and I challenge any LDS person who really loves the truth to read it.
Mr Natural | Dec 02, 2008
